As pastors and ministry leaders, when we find ourselves experiencing emotional challenges, or seasons of wilderness, or even times of dark depression, how do we find rest in God and hear His voice? In this week’s conversation on FrontStage BackStage, host Jason Daye is joined by John Starke, lead pastor of Apostles Church Uptown in New York City, where he lives with his wife, Jenna, and their four children. John’s latest book is entitled, The Secret Place of Thunder. Together, John and Jason look at some of the temptations we have in ministry to find our value in the way that we perform before others. John also shares from his own experiences, how God moves, heals, and speaks in those dark and challenging times in our lives.
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Additional Resources
www.apostlesuptown.nyc – Here is the website of John’s church, which serves as a comprehensive resource hub, providing abundant information, supplementary materials, and details on various ministries available. It offers a multitude of invaluable resources and additional offerings, ensuring a rich and rewarding experience for visitors.
The Secret Place of Thunder: Trading Our Need to Be Noticed for a Hidden Life with Christ – As John Starke shows in his book, our modern world has internalized the idea that the markers of having an admirable and successful life are primarily visible. It leads us to believe that a sense of self-worth and identity are metrics to be displayed. The performance of the self has become more important than the reality. We live as if the most important things about us are to be performed before others; that our deepest happiness will come from being who others think we ought to be.



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